SHAMANISM AND LUCID DREAMING WITH KAI ALTAIR
SHAMANISM AND LUCID DREAMING WITH KAI ALTAIR
UNI | Gabriela Parada and Kai Altair | October 2, 2020
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Welcome to the You and I podcast. I'm your host, Gabby Parada. You and I is a portal for art and conversation that propels unity consciousness, a state of being that is rooted in the awareness of you and I as one. Here we explore unity through the people on this earth that are helping us understand ourselves, our planet, and each other through a unique lens. Our heartfelt mission is to help all beings everywhere come to the realization that we are all unique and unified at the same time. We are you and I. Hi. Hello. I'm so happy to have you. You're a mentor of mine and I so value each and every time we speak together because I feel like you've been such a helping hand for me in my spiritual journey and I'm filled with so much happiness at the thought of being able to introduce you to perhaps people that don't know about you.
So the first question I'd like to ask you is how are you bringing more unity into the world? Well, I just want to start by saying thank you to you for having me and for your kind words. It means so much to meet other like-minded people and to walk on the path with them and certainly an honor to be called your mentor. And unity, I feel that it must be that it's within my closest family units and communities. You know, sometimes our very closest relationships and our most intimate experiences with people can be the ones that are sometimes most difficult or overlooked when we think of something like unity.
And we're looking at these like really broad strokes of, you know, cultural sections, cross sections of humanity. But really when I hear you say the word unity, I'm thinking of just the different challenges and triumphs that I have faced. I mean, in the past months of my life, even past days somehow. And I would say that the thing that I do in order to bring more unity to my close family and friend and partner circles is to really slow down and try to put myself in the other person's place. And to try to not move into a place of aversion when something is difficult and push away when something is difficult, but to kind of just breathe into a feeling of difficulty.
And I think also being mindful of my reactions, just the little tiny minuscule reactions that we can have of irritation or aggression or a feeling of judgment towards someone. And that seems like it can happen again with the closest people in our world and you know, in many of the great spiritual paths, we're taught that we have to begin first with ourselves and then in our closest communities if we're going to build an enlightened society. So making people feel comfortable who are close to me, making people feel loved who are close to me, and helping them to feel safe and helping them to shine when they're in my closest world.
Yeah, that's such a good reminder because I feel like I sometimes get so, well, I get so caught up in like, okay, how do I help the world? Like what is my calling? What is my purpose? And it's so, it can feel so grand and like planetary. And then you forget that it literally means like how you treat yourself and how you treat the person you're closest to and living with. And that if everybody did that, that's how it is created. And then other things, you know, like in, that's like the super intimate levels. And then it's like, how do we interact with the store clerk?
Like do we make eye contact? And like really kind of there's a thing that can happen that I'm sure you've noticed like when you're in the checkout lane at the grocery store and like it must be such a difficult job to have to be the person who does grocery checkout. And like a lot of times I notice a lot of people who are working and let's just say that position like they're kind of this shutdown thing where they're trying to make it through the day and I know it must be such hard work. And like they don't really expect for someone to be like, hey, how's it going?
Or like even like make an eye contact that is genuine or to be like, like pausing and breathing long enough to say to yourself, that's a human being and they look like they're having a hard day and just kind of meeting them in that space. And those non-intimate interactions are also ways that we build an enlightened society and encourage unity between humans too. So it's like from the most intimate to the kind of seemingly most far away if someone we're just crossing and passing. And we get those opportunities a lot in New York City to to not shut down and just like be open to a connection with a stranger that's just soft and genuine in its own way.
Totally. And I've been feeling into that a lot more lately too because I mean, we're not interacting with people on a daily basis as much as we're used to. And also now we don't have the smile to tune into. Like the facial expression is not there. So we really communicating with our eyes. And so I've been trying to be a lot more mindful of that. But it's also, it's interesting to see how we all shut down though. Like most people are looking at the ground or their phone even still, even at a time when we're like craving human interaction, even if we're not, I guess maybe we're not all conscious of that, but I mean, it's human nature.
Yeah, and it, I mean, I can't say like, you know, I can say this to you in this interview like, oh, we should all connect, but there's something sometimes in us that's like we're doing it to kind of insulate ourselves or we're feeling like we don't have the energy. It's not, we're not really taught or encouraged to interact in that way. So even if it's our intention as people who are hoping to build unity in our culture or you know, spread more vibration of goodness, some days, you know, we'll be like, oh, we're having a bad day that day too and we're just like can't even deal and like, you know, it just becomes insidious, yeah.
Totally. And also yeah, like what you're getting at, the non-duality of it of like, okay, to be a good person doesn't mean you're always making eye contact and smiling outside. Sometimes you, you have to take care of yourself and signal that you are not interacting today and that's okay too. And the non-judgment that comes with that because when someone's not making eye contact with you or saying hello or being friendly at the checkout, like it's not, we don't know what they're going through, you know, it's like it's not about a lot of, yeah, a lot of, I've been feeling into a lot of the unconditional love, non-judgment lately too because everyone is dealing with all of this in such a unique way that is right for them and we just have to trust that whatever they're thinking, feeling, doing and how they're reacting is right for them on their path and that's where they're at and it's going to be different than.
Yeah, and everybody's really doing the best they can in each moment, you know, and we don't know, like you said, we don't know what's going on behind their little skin space suit that they're wearing around. Yeah, okay, I love that you just said that because that segues us into, I want to talk about your work and shamanism and dream work and yourself as a musician and artist. So maybe you could introduce us to your world. Well, because all those topics that you, those things that I do, you just mentioned, seem like they come from all over the place. I feel like I might like to put them within the realm of a more ancient time of our ancestors.
And there may have been certain people within the community or the village or the tribe who carried all of those skill sets. Those people throughout different moments in human history all had different names. Shaman is a name that we're kind of using to blanket that gets thrown around a lot these days. But it's a Siberian word that means one who sees in the dark. The role of this person was often and is often to travel from our world into non-ordinary reality or the realm of spirit and come back with important information for their community to help interpret and understand not only their own dreams but people's dreams within their community, to be able to have clear communication with the natural world around them, the speaking world, both through understanding things about animals and plants, but also through being able to read signs and synchronicities and work in all different kinds of oracular ways.
And then often all of those experiences that person had needed to be interpreted and shared with the community. And that was often or is often done through song and dance and play acting and a way of storytelling that helps to engage the imagination of the people so that they can then be able to take part in the mystery. And there can be a feeling of wholeness and of connection to the divine for all and thereby creating balance for the community as a whole and not just being a thing that only that one person has access to. So often the goal of a shamanic practitioner today is to help to connect others to their own helping spirits, to understanding their own dreams.
And for myself, it's often about engaging imagination and play. And that comes through in my music and it comes through in a lot of the performance that I've done over the years. And right now the music that I make is usually or always inspired by my experiences in dreaming and non-ordinary reality. And there's two tracks of sound that I make but both very combined. One is acoustic sacred music that is used in sound meditation situations and within my healing practice where I'm creating sounds over the body in order to move stuck energy and create deep states of relaxation. And then I have another project called Azov which is electronic music that incorporates a lot of rhythms and percussion from around the world.
And we create music for transformational festivals and ecstatic dance gatherings where people are intending to move their bodies to, you know, move into an ecstatic state and to use dance and rhythm and sound as a means of of personal healing, of inspiration. So it's always my intention in whatever I do to invite others to peek behind the veil and to also invite those who reside behind the veil to peek at us. So I really consider myself a bridge between the worlds. And if I had to really name the thing that I feel I've been given as a gift to carry as my medicine in this world, it's to be that bridge.
And it's my greatest intention to help others get their Wi-Fi up in between our world and the unseen. And for the unseen to also be able to bring their Wi-Fi to us through sound, through movement, through healing. Yeah, you've really helped me connect to the idea of spirit both within myself and the spirit world in general, whether it be plants or animals or spirits. You really helped me understand and get comfortable with the idea of death and spirits that have passed on. I'm wondering if maybe you can explain a little bit about the three realms. Absolutely. So I feel like this is a good moment to talk about just the uniqueness of human consciousness and maybe it's not even unique or it's the uniformity in some ways of what we've found in the stories of human consciousness on nearly every continent deep within the wells of our psycho-spiritual religious histories.
And Clarissa Pincola Estes says that we all come from lost tribes no matter what our, whatever our heritage is. And so you know, often there's a thought that only people with native American heritage or Australian aborigine or certain kinds of African lineages are people who have access to what we might think of as a shamanic tradition. But really all across human history we see this. Sometimes we have to dig a little bit further back for, you know, a western European shamanic quote-unquote history or story. However, the idea of the three realms is very cross-cultural. And this talks about the ways that our non-ordinary reality or spirit realm or realm behind the veil is understood to be organized for travelers moving from our ordinary realm into the realm of spirit.
And it's a generalization because certainly there are infinite and unknowable mysterious dimensions of being beyond this one. However, as we travel just like we might, I don't know, when we look at a big, if we're looking at a map, we're seeing, okay, the borders of this country are here and this state is here, but we're not seeing like all the way down inside the finite realm of the forest that might be actually on the land there in that map. So the idea of the three realms is kind of like a map that gives us a broad understanding of how we have found these realms to be organized.
The lower realm, the realm beneath our world, which can be reached in a shamanic journey through entering and opening in the earth or the roots of a tree, is thought to be the realm of the animals. This is a place where we would classically journey to meet an animal ally. It's an earthly realm in which it's like the earth beneath our earth. The middle realm is an interesting realm because it's the world behind our waking world and it is inhabited by nature spirits and elementals, something like we might think of the realm of fairy or the gentry. And also the middle world is comprised of human souls who have not been able to successfully make the crossing after death, after their physical bodies have died and their spirit body is ready to move into the light.
It's quite common fact that there's some sort of a waylay in that process unfortunately. In the middle world we might find what we think of as ghosts or suffering beings. And for that reason sometimes the middle can be thought of as a little dangerous or tricky because of that. And so when traveling in the middle world, we definitely want to travel under the protection of our helping spirits and our animal allies and we want to move respectfully knowing that beings in the middle world don't always even know why or how they got there. So the middle world is like our existing world and it's like right now and it's coexisting with also the unseen layers of energy which are what you would categorize as ghosts and the layer of like plant consciousness, animal consciousness that is on this earth too.
And infinite realms outwards, there's so many dimensional spaces. It also comprises what we would think of as aliens and star beings and all of the realms that are comprised within our atmosphere and outer space that's still not considered the upper world. All of that, the realm of the seen material world that we can touch and feel has a dimensional and inner dimensional, multidimensional space within and around it that would be considered part of a middle world experience. So middle world experiences are actually quite common to have as a human being, you know, like it may be one of our more common experiences that we might have unknowingly or accidentally sometimes.
So we're not considered to be in the middle world, but it's like we live in the middle world but we don't see the like energy behind the veil of the middle world. Right, unless we're entering into a shamanic state of consciousness somehow. And sometimes that can be a tricksy thing, right? So like whether it's like while we're starting to dream or drift, if we're going into a natural trance state of some kind, whether we mean to or not, you know, we can induce that with the sound of a drum or with plant medicine or we can induce it with dancing.
It can sometimes, a middle world experience could be induced quote-unquote accidentally and not just really the word I'm looking for, but like, you know, if someone has a mental illness, they may be more sensitive to non-ordinary occurrences within, let's call it behind the veil of the middle world. And then sometimes that mental illness that's made them more sensitive to that, it could be that they can't, they've lost the ability to differentiate between what is ordinary reality and what is non-ordinary reality and the two start to blend together. So the difference here, you know, when we're looking at like where the line of madness can be drawn, it's being able and where like, you know, there's a saying that the shaman swims in the same ocean that the madman drowns in.
And so it's really about being very grounded and having a strong understanding of where ordinary reality ends and non-ordinary reality begins, being able to go and then come back soundly and being able to ask our consciousness to then return to an ordinary state of consciousness and to not drift back and forth kind of uncontrollably, you know, and wouldn't necessarily make you a madman to drift, but I think we can probably all think of one or two people we've met in our lives that the line got a little fuzzy and we just like they were a little ungrounded or, you know, not all there or whatever.
Yeah, in from like a shamanic point of view, are certain or maybe all what we would categorize mental illnesses, are they, is it basically, because sometimes I think of like, okay, like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, are they tapping into multidimensionality and multiple parallel realities? But since our society doesn't teach, you know, we don't grow up thinking about that or being taught that, are they just basically tapping into that and they haven't been kind of taught to like work with their gifts? Is there something around that or what is your opinion there? Well, my opinion is it's a totally case-by-case basis.
And since I'm not, you know, a trained doctor who can make diagnosis of anyone, I couldn't fully say. However, I do know that traditionally in more ancient times, there was an effort to train people or to assist them in understanding their gifts. But it really, like I said, it really depends, you know, how extreme it is. And certainly if someone's capacity for experiencing the other worlds was very great, but they couldn't differentiate between which is which, it still would be overwhelming no matter how much training, you know. So I feel like there's sometimes there's a neurological component, you know. So I can't say, I can say I've certainly, you know, I've worked a lot with the elderly and with people with Alzheimer's and dementia.
And I certainly had the experience of being with elderly people who are close to death and experiencing strong symptoms of dementia. And there have definitely been moments that I could feel that part of what their symptoms and experience was had to do with an opening of their non-ordinary senses and not having a way to navigate it. And certainly that's something that can occur as we get closer to death and definitely something that occurs with lots of the different illnesses that cause symptoms of dementia. So I know it's a huge topic and a segue, but I do think that there's something there that we can all continue to be open to discovering.
And diagnosis is a strange thing that I hope that we can become more sensitive about in the future. So you were talking about the middle realm and I do want to touch on where does dream state live? Is it middle realm? It could be in any realm actually. Sure, yeah, dreaming takes us into, you know, there's all different kinds of dreams that we can have. And so we can really have an ordinary dream that is just processing our day. We could have a middle realm dream where we kind of wake up within the room in our dream body that we're in and then we're starting to walk around the room, we're experiencing our space within the dream.
That would definitely be kind of like a middle world experiences experience. But then a dream could also lead us into the upper world where we're meeting with a great, you know, divine being of the light who shares a healing energy with us or shares sound or just gives us an experience of such beauty and all that, you know, we've truly had. And one of my teachers, Robert Moss, calls those the big dreams. And often people can really remember the big dreams even if they're not people who have a lot of strong dream recall. And what he teaches in the school of active dreaming is that in dreaming we do have the opportunity to move into great vast realms beyond.
It's a place that even if you're not a trained practitioner, you can have the opportunity to travel through all of the realms and experience your own helping spirits and benevolent ancestors who often can calling in dreams. And so the upper realm is the ancestral realm? Well, the upper realm is the realm that is associated with high guides and teachers. And again, we're talking about vast unknowable mysteries of unknowable infinite dimensions. And so what in many shamanic traditions it is considered a place of great benevolence, it can be a place that our ancestors move towards. It's a place that we might associate with gods and goddesses and high teachers and ascended masters and angelic beings.
And usually it's a place that we intend to journey to with the assistance of our animal allies. So there's usually a process in which one connects first with animal allies so that they can then be taken into the upper realms and help to find these beings and teachers who could then become further allies. Yeah, so basically within these three realms, you're saying that we have access to all of them and it's through shamanic journeying, right? Through the beat of a drum or a sacred sound instrument or lucid dreaming, active dream work. Which active dreaming, which is Robert Moss's technique, is a shamanic journey technique with this, we journey with the sound of the drum.
And the sound of the drum induces a natural trance state. It helps the brain waves move into the theta brain wave band into the visionary state or the hypnogogic zone, the place just between asleep and awake. And it's often the place that we'll notice just as we're falling asleep, we'll start to even be able to tell we're dreaming before we kind of honk out and move into a deeper state. And it can be reached through dancing, it can be reached through certain plants and mushrooms. And interestingly enough, though, the drum has been the most reliable source for humanity to induce the natural trance state because of the regions of the world.
And you know, often there's this thought of like, oh, the shamans are all taking the psychedelics. But in fact, you know, the drum is always been more prevalent and reliable source for inducing the shamanic state of consciousness because there's just not always been plants and mushrooms available in the regions of the world that people wish to reside within non-ordinary reality, receive important practical information for their lives and be connected deeply to dreaming, whether it's the region or the weather or simply it just not being a part of a cultural context for people. But the drum has actually been so widely used throughout so many cultures throughout all of human history for this purpose that it's really, it's a really beautiful thing to be able to connect with in that way.
Yeah, and I've had the pleasure of having you guide me through a shamanic journey with the drum and I know that you use it a lot in your one-on-one sessions. But for people who maybe are new to the ideas of all of this and maybe want something to just experiment with on their own, could you maybe talk a little bit about the power of dreams and becoming lucid in dreams and how powerful that can be? Sure. In dreaming we have such a great opportunity to move beyond anything that we've ever been able to imagine while waking. And we also have the opportunity to touch such great sources of healing and inspiration and personal power and connect to our helping spirits and benevolent ancestors.
And like I mentioned before, it's often the big dreams, the big memorable ones that really leave us feeling moved upon awakening in the morning that start to become a call for us, start to make us think, hey, maybe I should start paying a little bit closer attention to this dream stuff. And often those big dreams can start around adolescence. It's often a time when dreams start to really take off. Some people are really strong dreamers from even earlier ages. But if we nourish and encourage our dreaming like a practice, like one would practice piano or yoga or meditation, then we can really become more and more adept at it.
In fact, we can even, like you mentioned, find ourselves within dreams and become lucid, which is to be within the dream and realize that we're dreaming. And that's, you know, that's one of the trickier of all the practices. But with time, with careful attention to the ways and the subtle fluctuations of being able to watch ourselves within not just our sleeping state, but often our waking state, we start to become more sensitive to whether we're dreaming or not. One of the first things that I often recommend for people who would like to become lucid dreamers is to become mindful meditators during the day.
Mindfulness meditation trains our short-term memory and rebuilds neural pathways and helps kind of flex that muscle of the strength of our consciousness to the subtle movements of thought, emotion, energy that we experience throughout the day. And then often that can carry into dreaming. And that's often one of the big helpers in us noticing whether we're dreaming or not. Tips that I have for people who would like to get more in touch with their dreams are first to keep a dream journal. This really helps us start to track our experiences in the night. And it also tells our rational left brain and our short-term memory that dreams are important enough that we want to write them down when we wake up in the morning.
And it starts to actually cause like a muscle memory in the brain and then we start to remember them more often because just simply the fact that we've taken time to journal them. Also setting an intention before you go to sleep at night, it could be an intention as simple as show me what I need to know or to ask for a dream in which you receive healing around a certain topic or advice around a certain topic in your life or to ask to meet an animal ally or to ask for inspiration around a creative project that you might be working on.
Setting an intention is a way that we also kind of prime the dream gates to open. And we want to keep remembering that intention throughout the night. So often there's a moment in the night when we wake up to go to the bathroom or there's a sound outside or, you know, we're kind of tossing and turning. It's quite common that we don't have a solid night state. It's actually the natural way, the natural sleep cycles of coming up and down through wakefulness. Yeah, in fact, between the hours of 4:00 and 6:00 a.m. in settings where there is less light pollution and especially, you know, a couple hundred years ago when there wasn't any light pollution, it was known that the natural sleep cycles of humans are two cycles, two big ones with little ones in between, but that there, people would call it the time of the second sleep, that people would wake up between 4:00 and 6:00 a.m.
and there was a natural wake time. And in fact, in the Iroquois tradition, it was common that everyone in the longhouse would wake up and tell each other their dreams at that moment. And then everybody would go back to sleep. Yeah, I know, so good. So but now our biorhythms are pretty skewed with all the light pollution. But anyways, when we wake, whenever it may be, whether it's for the second sleep or because, you know, a car alarm happens outside, it's an opportunity for us to remember our intention and to ask ourselves, was I dreaming? And if we remember our dreams, it's also an opportunity to record them right then and there.
I really like to record my dreams on my phone and talk them into my voice notes and then I transcribe them later into a document. I know you're a serious dreamer. I mean, it's fascinating. I'm not there yet. I'm still scribbling in the morning, but I mean, that's goals right there. Because you type them out so that you can search certain keywords and see patterns in your dreams, right? That's right, that's right. And then I date them and I give them a title like I wrote a book or a movie and that's a practice from the school of active dreaming as well.
But if you don't have time to be as fastidious as I am since dreaming is my job, you can simply give the dream a title and then a short bulleted list of the main points. Let's see, I would also recommend not waking too quickly in the morning if possible, not waking with the alarm clock. I know it's tricky or having a very soft gentle sound that wakes you and giving yourself, I like to use the snooze button as a shamanic device in order to push snooze and then lay down and say, okay, I've got 10 more minutes and this is going to be the time that I dip back in.
Yeah, because it's often easier for me to do more lucid dreaming in that time period because it's like half waking, half sleep. Yes, the hypnogogic zone is the liftoff zone. That's the place we really get. And that's also the place where we're going to be able to become lucid most easily. So Robert Moss teaches us that if we begin lucid by walking into the dream state in a lucid way, that it's much easier than being already kind of sleeping within the dream and needing to wake up and realize that you're dreaming. I might give one more tip for that lucid moment for the intrepid traveler who really wants to be able to become lucid and know that they're dreaming.
And there's a lot of different ways to make your way there, but one tip that I could leave them with is that we want to look for things that don't normally happen in life. One of the big ones is flying. We aren't normally flying in life, so it's often a moment when we can say, wait a minute, I don't normally fly in ordinary reality, I must be dreaming. And looking for signifiers of things that are just absolutely want to lucid dream and then think back on this, me visiting with a friend who happened to be living in the bathroom of a gas station.
And I was sitting with her in there and I was like, wait a minute, you don't live in the bathroom of a gas station, this is a dream. So keeping an eye out for those really weird things. Totally. And what you were saying about the mindfulness is the foundation to this is, I mean, because what you're describing, you noticing the gas station, like for someone who is not actively practicing presence, that's like, I mean, I don't want to say impossible, but that's very hard because you haven't built that muscle to be present and notice that, especially in a dream, you know.
I really like that because you're touching on the synergy of the two because I think what happens is most people don't see the importance of dreams. They're kind of just like, oh well, it's separate, it doesn't really matter. But it has, ever since being introduced to this and working with you, like I've really seen this infinity loop, this synergy between my waking and dream state because like for example, the mindfulness, like when I started meditating and becoming more conscious of my thoughts, like that started to bleed into my dreams and I would have dreams of like in the dream being kind to someone and in the dream telling myself, oh, just be present and breathe or like, oh, speak from the heart and having these very conscious dialogues and thoughts in the dream, which was so beautiful to see that I was being a conscious human in a dream.
And then vice versa, having dreams where I'm getting messages or healing something in the dream that then when I wake up, I'm different. I'm, you know, there's something that has moved. Yeah, that's really beautiful. And often I think one thing that I'm thinking of that you're kind of describing is just like being able to experience holding a certain energy while dreaming that then we can bring back with us, you know, a feeling of compassion or kindness or great joy even. And those are a real healing gift that we can receive and then be able to resonate with it upon awakening as well.
Totally. Yeah, I love that you brought that up because yeah, even I mean, sometimes we use drugs or alcohol to tap into that, right? Of like, oh well, when I'm under a substance, I can feel that quote-unquote happiness or something like connection or feeling like I want to talk more. But that happens in dreams. If you pay attention, you know, you can induce that in the dream and then take that frequency that you've gotten to know in your waking life because now you know how to conjure it up. Definitely. And I feel the same for meditation too because so many times we're just trying to, with drugs and alcohol, it's about numbing the inner judge or numbing our insecurity.
And instead with meditation practices and learning to take care of our bodies through deep relaxation, we aren't needing to num those things, but they simply become cared for and held and quieted and perhaps not as activated or we can offer them healing rather than just trying to shove it away for a few hours, you know. Totally. And that's one part of why I love working with you is that you're so grounded in the mindfulness and you're so grounded in the presence. And even though you're so knowledgeable and wise and have this very eccentric database so to speak and practices, you are always bringing it back to presence and mindfulness.
And I completely resonate with that because that's been what's kept me so grounded throughout my path too. And I think sometimes we get lost in the flashiness of, you know, more advanced so to speak techniques or, you know, energy healing, which is all beautiful, but like, you know, the simplicity of that presence is really key. Yeah, thank you for reminding me of that all the time. Thank you. Yeah, well, you know, it's something I agree. It is, we want, of course, there's this longing to get up and out and see all of the wild dimensions of the multiverse. But in order for our bodies and our minds to feel safe enough to go far, they need to have a really deeply rooted landing site.
What I've been so gratefully taught by my teachers is that you actually have to first root down really deeply in order to go up. And the more rooted you are, often the further you can fly. But it's always about coming home. It's always about landing again because, you know, like you were saying, we are at the end of the day here being human. And while it may be essential for us to continue to connect to the divine and so a massive part of our being human is to also be divine within this space and connected to spirit. We also have to, you know, brush our teeth and cook dinner and do the laundry and like those things can be really really nourishing too.
Totally. Yeah, when you're appreciating it in the present moment for sure. I want to be mindful of your time, but I also want people to have a chance to know how to work with you and how to find you. And we just, we basically brushed the very surface level of these topics. So if anyone is curious about these, I highly recommend reaching out to Kai. So maybe you can tell us where they can find you and maybe how you work with people. Yes, sure, thank you. Well, you can find my healing work and the teaching that I'm doing at alariahealing.com.
And right now I'm teaching virtually. Luckily I've been teaching virtually for quite some time already since I travel a lot with my music and my teachers. And typically work with people in my sacred path training program in two-hour sessions. Many of the people who study with me work with me one-on-one, some weekly or some less frequently as needed, as wanted, as guided. And you can find the music that I make at [audio says "azav.com"; spells "aazav.com" - verify before publication]. And you'll find a lot of the sacred music that I have created for healing and sacred work, put to sacred bass music.
I love that. Thank you, Kai. Thank you so much. And sending you a hug. Yeah, you too. Virtual hugs to you and to everyone listening. May your best dreams come true and may you remember them. Thank you so much for tuning in. I really appreciate your support and know that this platform is here to support you. And if you resonate with any of these messages and want to keep following along and join the journey with us, please follow us on Instagram at weareyouandi.co. That's w e a r e y o u a n d i . c o. Wishing you many blessings and unconditional love.
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